(Recording) EA: Public defender Danny Engelberg isn't the only one noticing how many black people are in municipal court -- or in any court.

These public defenders receive around 30 percent less funding than district attorneys do, and they often have caseloads far outnumbering what the American Bar Association recommends.

(Laughter) At this time, I was interning at the Public Defender Service in Washington DC, and I was visiting a police station for work.

You don't have to -- I mean, some people spend their careers and their lives, like public defenders, doing justice every day.